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The Eco Chicks
Posted on Jan. 12, 2009 at 12:04 p.m. Discuss (1 comment)
CPSIA: Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!
Toys have become a nightmare for many parents: 80% of the toys in this country are made in China and the toy recalls have shown how very little oversight ever goes into toys imported into this country. Lead, arsenic, phthalates are routinely sold to our children and many times even with labels saying they are “safe or non-toxic.” Although the Chinese imports are largely to blame, they aren’t the only problem, plenty of American companies are filling up shelves with nasty vinyl as toxic as some of these other toys, but legal.
So, thank goodness, Congress stepped in with the creation of the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act, which sets strict limits on lead and phthalates in any child's product and requires manufacturers to prove compliance before they can sell them. Sound good? Unfortunately, Congress took a sensitive situation and attacked it with a huge, oversized hammer and now the little wooden toy, organic clothing, and small craft boutiques are being hit hard.
Take for instance my favorite children’s clothing company: Chapter One Organics. This company is tiny, 100% of what they make is organic and made in the U.S. by a manufacturer that not only pays a living wage to its employees, but trains at-risk women in lifetime job skills. They are small, not very profitable, but really, really good. Their founder and owner, Jennifer Murphy, is not your typical activist. She is beautiful and proper the way one would assume a debutant would be, yet it was her desire to do good for children and in the world that led her to start her company. It is that same impulse that now has her writing her senator, calling other manufacturers, and all around fighting for survival. “As a small business owner selling unique organic children’s products it is a huge blow to be lumped into the same category as a large multinational organization that is making plastic toys in a developing country and selling to big box stores.”
The issue that the small businesses have with the law is not with the prohibitions (after-all many of these businesses started from a desire to do things differently and better for children), but rather in its implementation. Because it forces every manufacturer to prove that every unique item is complaint, a Grandma that sells booties and hats would potentially have to send out her final booties and hats to have them tested—a process that can cost thousands of dollars each—even if she is buying yarn that meets a higher safety certification like organic or Oeko-Tex 100 certified.
Jennifer Murphy says, “How can [a small producer] afford to test something they make one of? A large company can spread a testing fee out over thousands of units.”
It’s not just unfair, it will also likely put many of the good guys out of business, making it harder to find the best toys in the U.S. The Washington Post wrote an article on the issue citing Selecta (every parent’s fantasy toy company) that makes carved wooden cars and characters from native woods that are then colored with natural vegetable dyes and coated with beeswax. The company is just about as green and safe as it gets. Now, though, Selecta is preparing to pull out of the U.S. market. They will continue to sell in countries that have long had safety restrictions on lead and phthalates in children’s toys, but not in the U.S. Why? Its just too dang complicated and expensive to be the good guy in the U.S. with this new law.
“There are many ways around this, such as being allowed to have parts tested before they are made into a product, “ says Murphy, but: “Currently that is not an option,“ she continues.
Local stores are also concerned. Some of my favorite small, green businesses like Green Genes and A Cooler Planet will suffer. “The life blood of a store like ours are small manufacturers,” says Heidi Bailey owner of A Cooler Planet.
“These small manufacturers that we have come to know and loved could be forced to close their doors. And all the eco-minded parents, grandparents, and gift-givers will find themselves asking, “Where can we fin natural, safe, Old-fashioned toys and products for the little ones in our lives. It is sad and scary situation to consider; these are the items that have been safe and trustworthy all along and they could potentially disappear from stores, boutiques and websites,” says Heather Muenstermann, owner of Green Genes.
The issue is upsetting to me for three main reasons:
1. I firmly believe that small businesses who voluntarily meet higher standards (like organic, Oeko-Tex 100) should be rewarded not lumped in with the bad guys. With any foresight or a little sensitivity, this law could have protected children and given additional incentives to companies using products already proven to be safe and healthy.
2. This law will punish smart, eco-conscious consumers because it will make it harder to find the really good children’s products. For the companies that do survive, they will probably have fewer items that cost more.
3. The result: fewer good, hand-crafted, sustainably made toys and MORE TOYS FROM CHINA!
Chicago may be especially culpable
The chair and vice chair of the Subcommittee on Commerce, Trade, and Consumer Protection are both from Illinois. You can let them know how you feel about the burden that the CPSIA is putting on small manufacturers. Even if you don’t live in Illinois, calling your representative will make a difference. Find out how by visiting: http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml I have also found one petition on the subject, you can sign it here: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/economicimpactsofCPSIA/index.html.
Learn more about toxic toys, safer alternatives, and get additional inspiration on growing greener families at www.thegreenmama.com.
Posted on Dec. 22, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. by Green Mama. Discuss (2 comments)
Hard Working Birds
Still the eggs come... it's 3 degrees below zero, yet the chickens delivered 3 perfect eggs today.
How do they do it? Why do they do it?
The eggs from the chickens in our back yard have officially changed in character. In the summer, when the hens foraged in our yard for grass and bugs and scratch, and we supplemented with grain, the eggs had firmer yolks. They were an alarming yellow, as riveting of a color as the side of a school bus. Now that the chickens are cooped up--another turn of phrase that I now realize comes from the poultry world--and are eating only grain, their eggs look pretty much like the store-bought kind, with soft, reasonable yolks and plenty of white stuff.
I know a woman who is disturbed by the eggs from their backyard chickens. Her husband and children eat them; she buys her own from the store. She likes their consistency, and the fact that she is far removed from the orifices the store-bought eggs emerged from.
Posted on Dec. 21, 2008 at 9:11 p.m. by Jill. Discuss (0 comments)
Wilderness For Sale
As many of you know, tomorrow marks the day the U.S. Bureau of Land Management will put almost 276,000 acres of public land on the auction block. Oil and gas companies will bid for drilling rights around Arches National Park and Dinosaur National Monument, though about 100,000 fewer acres than originally planned thanks to outcry from environmental action groups.
This issue is significant to environmentalists, dark sky enthusiasts (this is some serious stargazing territory), people who care about protocol and egregious use of authority, and perhaps even our national character. Terry Tempest Williams states the case in a recent LA Times op-ed.
Posted on Dec. 18, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. by Christie. Discuss (0 comments)
What can Arne do for school lunches? Tell him!
Arne Duncan, the chief of the Chicago Public Schools, will become Secretary of Education for the Obama administration. What does this mean for our children? Arne Duncan is known for being a reformer and he as been part of over-seeing Chicago public schools during a time that has seen a rise in awareness around the importance of healthier school lunches. In Chicago, many of the schools have privatized their lunches and everything comes in from outside. In most cases, the food is just more of the same. However, The Organic School Project is trying to provide an organic and healthier option in some schools. This is a tiny drop in the bucket. In general, school lunches are hormone-laden , imbalanced, sugared-up, and sometimes even MSG-containing. Yuck. (Read more about it at thegreenmama.com.)
How far is Duncan prepared to go?
One reader commented that Arne, with the support of parents, could finally get schools to improve the content of school lunches. How can our children's lunches reflect the education and science around what we know to be healthy? What kinds of food helps learning, what do we serve that we know affects a child's ability to pay attention (like MSG)? What would happen if we got rid of vending machines or filled them with healthy foods?
What would you ask Arne Duncan for? Tell us. Maybe we will send him a letter. Maybe he will listen.
Posted on Dec. 16, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. by Green Mama. Discuss (4 comments)
Should We Eat Our Wild Urban Critters?
Rats, geese, squirrels, rabbits, deer, raccoons, even the occasional possum or coyote -- these are the sorts of critters that tend to pop up in our urban environments. New York Times Magazine writer Peggy Orenstein finds her neighborhood in Berkley overrun by turkeys and wonders if that's a good thing.
Here in Chicago, at the North Pond behind the Nature Museum, we've got dozens of ducks and geese doing their business on and around the walking path. In response to these booming avian numbers, volunteers in Lincoln Park, under the direction of the Park Service, have taken to "shaking" the eggs of geese to control their numbers.
How should we balance our desire to provide habitat and sanctuary for our local fauna while at the same time maintaining, for example, a bike path free of goose poop and large hissing birds? With all the talk of local foods, should we consider some of these geese and other overpopulated urban critters as food? Who's got the best ideas?
Thoughts?
Posted on Dec. 15, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. by Shane. Discuss (6 comments)
Greener Gifts
104 GRINCH-LESS GREEN GIFTS
Big Spender
1. Catered dinner from Sunday Dinner Chicago
2. Vacation in Francis Ford Copolla’s environmentally-friendly resort in Belize.
3. Tour the wine country of Napa and Sonoma. Red, white, and green wineries.
4. Avalon Coastal Retreat in Australia: a modern eco-cottage.
5. A gang of Segways for touring
6. An Energy Star Appliance. That is if your existing appliance is dead, and no one will infer that you’re asking them to do more housework.
7. Landscaping Overhaul: turn that turfgrass into a garden.
8. Kayak someplace warm this winter.
9. Play basketball with the Harlem Globetrotters: available through Neiman Marcus.
10. Carbon Offsets for all this jet setting.
Wrappables of all sizes
11. Bamboo socks
12. Clay or Beeswax modeling goop
13. Membership to the Cloud Appreciation Society. You get nothing for this except a certificate and a sense of participating in something splendidly surreal and British. Writer Gavin Pretor-Pinney created the organization and wrote the fabulous book, The Cloud-Spotters Guide.
14. Whole Living Kitchen Scrubbers – scrub those potatoes with an ecofriendly scrubber. When it gets yucky, it’s biodegradable, so cut it into pieces and put it in your compost pile. Available at Whole Foods.
15. Burt’s Bees Green Goddess Bath Salts. There’s a good chance they’ll get regifted, but if you know someone who actually takes baths, these are a good value.
16. Bali Foot Kit: A neat packet with soap, a pumice stone and a nail brush, this item is packaged up in Bali by folks given fair wages, healthcare and profit sharing. The kit is also darned cute, as the pumice and soap look like little feet. Whole Foods. (less than $20)
17. What Would Jesus Buy? A holiday mockumentary about Saving Christmas from the Shopocalypse.
18. Solar charged backpack. Charge your phone or ipod anywhere sunny.
19. Juice box purses, jewelry made of vinyl records, something for the flashier fan of recycled gifts.
20. A good potted plant.
21. An iPod. If you’ve outgrown one, your favorite senior citizen might appreciate the used one fully loaded with music.
22. A clothesline, accompanied by an offer to install it for the recipient.
23. Organic wreath made of bay leaves, rosemary and thyme – 12 inch diamter, $40
Struggling Artists Need Holiday Cheer
24. Museum of Contemporary Photography – an artist’s prints – average around $300
25. Felted Cat-nip holder
26. Handmade pottery
27. Pocket protector
28. Furniture
29. Coat Hooks
30. Photo frame
31. Handkerchiefs
32. 12 through 19 and a huge range of artwork from all kinds of places, materials, and price ranges are available at etsy.com. You can support local artists and sustainable materials.
33. UGallery is a place for student artists around the country to sell their work.
Polo Lessons Anyone? Give a great experience
34. A Year of Polo for Beginners $835
35. Private Tour and Demo of the Botanic Garden’s Bonsai collection for 8 people, for $1575
36. Wolf Watch experience for $175
37. River Paddling & Crane Viewing $110
38. Intro to Whitewater Kayaking $295
39. Intro to Juggling $250
40. Culinary Walking Tour $100
41. Junior Rodeo School $310
42. Chicago Ghost Tour $75
43. All of the above and a whole lot more available through excitations.com
Animals: water buffalos, not puppies
44. flock of ducks
45. rabbits
46. water buffalo
47. goat
48. bees
49. Heifer International will use your donation to give someone around the world the gift of livestock such as the creatures mentioned above. You can even contribute to a share of an animal for $10-20.
50. Snow leopard
51. Pygmy elephant
52. Meerkat
53. The World Wildlife Foundation has adopt-an-animal programs for the exotic gift, and your money goes towards conservation efforts for a specific species or to a specific projects ($1000 helps move 20 bison to Montana).
Altruism for the Earth: not great for unwrapping, but it keeps on giving
54. Adopt African grasslands
55. Protect a reef
56. Plant trees in Brazil. All of the above are programs through the http://www.nature.org/">Nature Conservancy
57. Have some trees planted here: Ameircan Forests will do the heavy lifting
58. Support the Suzuki Foundation
59. Donate a bike, or the equivalent funds to World Bicycle Relief
60. Make a pledge in someone’s name to your local NPR station
61. A family membership to The Nature Museum
62. Green City Market, or your neighborhood farmer’s market
63. Architecture for Humanity supports service projects worldwide
64. Take the lead from the Green Mama and celebrate with a day of service.
For the New Parents + Bundle o’ Joy
65. Have the new parents register at your local green baby for stuff they actually need: Be By Baby & Little Green Baby are good places to start in Chicago
66. Smoothie makings – Frozen berries, organic yogurt, local honey, juice
67. Bubble bath goodies
68. Toys that last: legos, building blocks, board games
69. A babysitting certificate
70. Hand-me-downs. If it worked for your kids, it’ll work for someone else’s.
71. A nice meal out or a frozen meal to thaw when things get hectic.
72. Green cleaning service
73. A massage/spa treatment for the parents-this also goes alongside the babysitting certificate.
74. Bamboo booties
Hot Tix
75. Steppenwolf Theater
76. Elbo Room
77. Congress Theater
78. Court Theater
79. iO
80. Second City
81. Wait Wait, Don’t Tell Me
82. The Riviera
83. Gorilla Tango Theater
84. You get the idea. Pick your favorite venue or act and make a date of it.
Books: best when read and regifted
For Kids
85. Gaia Girls series by Lee Welles
86. The Gift of Nothing by Patrick McDonnell, the creator of the Mutts comic series
87. The Lorax by Dr. Seuss (a perennial favorite gift of green-givers for 30 years)
Little Green People Favorites, in no specific order
88. Nature Field Guides: Sure, trees were cut down to make the books, but these books can be life-changing. Opening someone up to the nature is one of the best things you can do for the environment.
89. Michael Pollan-- check out Second Nature, Botany of Desire and Omnivore's Dilemma
90. Richard Preston's latest, Wild Trees
91. Pilgrim at Tinker Creek by Annie Dillard
92. Nature's Metropolis: Chicago and the Great West by William Cronon
93. A Sand County Almanac by Aldo Leopold
94. Animal, Vegetable, Miracle by Barbara Kingsolver
95. Having Faith: An Ecologist's Journey to Motherhood by Sandra Steingraber
Check that list twice: Save yourself and others from ugly sweaters and an extra knife set
96. The Alternative Gift Registry: register for things that you really need—help building the shed, a night on the town, recipes, etc.
97. Lots of stores have registries. Choose what you actually want and use & spread the price point. It’s just like people do it for a wedding, without the marriage part.
The Gift of Deliciousness
98. Wine Spectator has a list of top value wines by type.
99. Women’s Bean Project: give someone soup makings and help a woman make a living.
100. Cooking classes
101. Delicious cheeses/crackers from a local farmer
102. Wine of the Month club-spread your tidings year round
103. Sign someone up for a CSA—only if they’ll use tons of veggies
104. Divine milk chocolate coins – Kosher certified and made with responsibly traded cocoa butter.
Posted on Dec. 15, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. by Christie. Discuss (0 comments)
Grinch Alert: Santa’s Bag is 1/3 Toxic Toys
The toy recalls of last year are still on many people’s minds, but Santa's bag this year will still be laden with toys containing lead, cadmium, arsenic, PVC, and other harmful chemicals. The Ecology Center, the non-profit behind, HealthyToys.org, tested over 1,500 popular children's toys and found that one in three toys tested were found to contain "medium" or "high" levels of dangerous chemicals.
Don’t load up a child you love with dangerous chemicals. It is easy to find alternatives. You can search the database yourself to find what is safe and what is not OR you can text
healthytoys [toy name]
(e.g. "healthytoys Elmo")
to 41411 and they will reply with search results! That makes the working of Santa's elves a little easier season.
Or, if the toxic toys issue has gotten you really mad, consider going even greener. Listen to our Have a Grinch-free Holiday podcast or visit the LGP Green Gift Guide for other great ideas like this one from Oxfam America's Unwrapped Gift Catalog where for $18 you can buy a “cans of worms” for someone you love. They get a cute picture of the wiggly critters and a farmer gets much-needd tools for cultivating his land.
And if you are inspired to get activ-ist, you can visit MomsRising.org to learn how to make a difference protecting the health of our children and the rights of mothers.
Posted on Dec. 12, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. by Green Mama. Discuss (2 comments)
What a Waste of lunch
There is a great video about school lunch waste at Water's School in Chicago made by the kids in their media lab. How much is recyclable in a school lunch? "!Eso no se puede reciclar!" For all you non Spanish speakers, the phrase captures the sad reality of styrofoam use in school. It means: "This cannot be recycled!" What the video shows is just how much kids can understand and do about a problem when lead by committed teachers, administrators, and parents.
Posted on Dec. 10, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. by Laurene. Discuss (1 comment)
School Lunch - Family Style
We've talked a lot about school lunches on the show and in blog entries. Over at Healthy Schools Campaign, they've organized a blogathon today to raise awareness about the subject and encourage people to take a stand.
They've asked us to post our own lunch memories. Here goes:
I went to school in Madrid, and while our school lunch issues were very different from the kinds that pop up in public school here, we still had them. Like the day we had paella and a full chicken head was cooked alongside the rest of its standard meaty parts in the rice dish. It rapidly turned into an all out hot potato/head game before one of the teachers wrangled the thing from a bunch of fifth graders. Kind of gross in hindsight, but memorable. And sweet in the sense that it was a communal family-style way of eating that encouraged sharing and conversation.
The idea of family-style lunches in the school system, though, just seems so unlikely.
Alas.
Posted on Dec. 10, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. by Christie. Discuss (0 comments)
The School Lunch Story
When I was young, my family was poor. I ate the school lunch because I got it for free. Though it was rarely my only meal of the day, it was often my main meal of the day. Still, I remember when I was 7 years old biting into the hotdog on my tray and my best friend telling me, “Do you know what that is made out of?” Hotdogs were the first food that I gave up out of principle.
It didn’t take long for me to get curious about other aspects of my lunch and of the food that we got delivered once a week to our door through a different welfare programs. Why did our cheese come in a box and did we have to have Kixs cereal again? In highschool I was no longer receiving free lunches and I usually avoided the school’s food with a horror only accessible to teenage girls, or to new mothers learning about the school lunch program.
The National School Lunch Act was established in 1946 by President Truman. The government, however, first got into the school lunch business during the Depression when FDR, reportedly,
saw subsidized school lunches as a way to help guarantee poor children would get at least one hot, healthy meal a day and also as a way to help support American Farmers using tax dollars. Today, 30 million children participate in the School Lunch Program. Half receive free lunches.
The school lunch program is in crisis. The government would probably say it is because the average school lunch costs $2.66 to produce where the average subsidy is only $2.47 per meal. Consumers, however, might be more worried about the contaminated meat, the hormone-laden milk, and the lack of fresh vegetables.
The USDA, which is responsible for the school lunch program, seems to behind the times both in their science and in their understanding of consumer trends. Consumers were outraged after it was discovered that the growth hormone rBST or rBGH that was being used in many of America’s dairy cows was not as innocuous as Monsanto claimed and were linked in some studies to early onset puberty and cancers. Canada, the E.U., Japan, Australia, and New Zealand have all banned the use of the growth hormone in their cows. And guess what growth-hormone laden milk is the staple of the school lunch program?
Milk isn’t the only problem, meat, the other stable of the school lunch program, has been handled similarly. School children are also slated to receive the irradiated beef. (See previous blog for more info.)
I was always the goodie-two-shoes who got the regular (not chocolate) milk and drank it because my mother told me too. Those were in the good ol’ days before rBST, but what are parents to say to their kids these days? “Skip the milk, skip the meat, and don’t eat the French Fries either. That would leave kids who rely on free school lunches with a plate of ketchup. (Did I mention that conventional ketchup has some of the highest pesticide levels of any produce?”)
Learn more about school lunches at healthyschoolscampaign.org.
Posted on Dec. 10, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. by Green Mama. Discuss (6 comments)
Scouting for Eco Chicks
I wore a sash, green knee socks, and swore to serve god and country. Thirty-four years ago.
Being a girl scout was one of the best times of my life, carrying me out of the insular coddling of childhood into the exciting world of saucy-self-confident-pocket-knife-carrying-badge-earning-opinionated girlhood.
So when I was invited to meet Troop 279 of the northwest side of Chicago, I was delighted, and curious. I was asked to help the girls earn their Eco Action badge. Their task: to interview a woman who is a leader in the environment.
They had formed a club called the Eco-chickz – so not only were they earning a badge, they were going to make the world better and make it part of their identity. What an honor, to be invited by them! More so, to see them carry a name -- The Eco Chicks – like the one my colleague Jill Riddell and I adopted as a moniker some twenty years ago, with the idea that someday thousands of “Eco Chicks” would teach the world the trials and strategies leading to a greener life and how to laugh and find find beauty in them.
When I walked through the gym door into their meeting, it was their ten and eleven year old eyes that grabbed me. They were bright and of all colors, their skin and their names from every region of the globe. No one wore a sash. But who, I mused, carried a pocket knife?
Shy at first, they quickly became fearless in their question-asking. They wanted to know my firsts: when did I start caring about nature? When did I first do something about it? When did I first learn about pollution? They were setting their sights on their own firsts. They had ideas and opinions. They cared about the animals.
They had solutions, too. Recycling, for example. And, I was delighted to hear them speak of the harder part of the waste conundrum: consuming less.
Then they showed my their latest project. Socks made into gloves. Recycled jewelry. Rain ponchos out of plastic bags. Creativity that will carry us into the future. And I was honored, too, with a treasure. A wonderful brimmed hat made of newspaper and a reused synthetic orchid.
Their amazing counselors thanked me when I left, and I truly was the one who left with the gift. I expect that one day in ten years one of them will ask me for a job, or come to me with a conservation project and I will be delighted to say “I knew you when – when you carried a pocket knife.”
(The girls of troop 279 will be coming to the Nature Museum in the new year to record their own episode of the Little Green People Show)
Posted on Dec. 8, 2008 at 5:02 p.m. by Laurene. Discuss (3 comments)
Measure of Success -- Number of Bags
Did you know that one of the measures of how well retailers are doing during the weekend after Thanksgiving is that someone stands out in the parking lot at a mall and counts the number of bags shoppers are carrying to their cars?
This strikes me as a tad imprecise. What if all the shoppers are environmentalists who politely refused to take a bag when it was offered them? Maybe shoppers took only one big bag from the first store they bought from, and then stuck everything else in there with it, waving away offers of additional bags and tissue paper.
Instead of using the bag count as a measure of retail sales, let's start using it as a measure of how successfully Little Green People are taking over the earth (as we always knew they would.)
Posted on Dec. 1, 2008 at 6:46 a.m. by Jill. Discuss (2 comments)
Chickens in the Snow
My kids never used the adorable, wooden playhouse in our backyard. Usually there would be a single afternoon in the spring when they would go in there and pretend to cook up some pancakes on the little play stove—this would be the day after I swept it out and cleared the spider webs and dreary old wasp’s nests, and hung up a decoration or two. But by and large, the playhouse was a space waster.
No more! The playhouse is in the process of becoming the new winter quarters for my chickens. With the help of our friend Pablo, a criminal lawyer with a weakness for building things, we are insulating walls and blocking off windows to make a safe hen house. (Right now, the four salmon Faverolle hens remain in their summer home, the chicken tractor, a mobile coop we move around from place to place in our backyard.)
Mary, the woman who brought us the hens when they were tiny chicks seven months ago, was visiting this weekend. She owns three dogs, but has come to the conclusion that chickens are perfect pets. They’re intensely cute, not demanding, and they give you something valuable in exchange for your providing food and shelter.
And they’re trendy! How about all this press on chickens lately? Check out WBEZ’s recent report on chickens in Chicago, for one example.
Posted on Nov. 23, 2008 at 7:17 p.m. by Jill. Discuss (9 comments)
Lights Out Green City
We're wasting $1.5 billion per year on excess lighting, much of it just leaking out into the sky. Here's another great documentary film, "The City Dark," on light pollution, one of the few environmental problems for which the fix (turning the lights off) promises a relatively satisfying and relatively viable return to a pre-industrial natural state (darkness).
Watch and wonder.
Posted on Nov. 20, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. by Shane. Discuss (0 comments)
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